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    Nah, i reckon ive spent all of $40 on this one, and its a good learning experience, always wanted to do it and for a $50 dash its a cheap learning experience. Plus i reckon i have enough flock to do about another 10 dashes.
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    So seems I've got more money than sense. Instead of getting a Pro to do it, I'm all for giving it a go myself. I already have the flock and epoxy, don't spend it on coke and hookers so ordered one of these too..

    Figured might use it again and on other peoples cars. If it's shit, it's shit and I wasted $150. That is about an average Saturday night out in my youth. Expensive fleshlight. At least it is 15kv and they showed it working on a dash..

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    I was chatting with a mate who has done a few dashes and he reckons some of my issue is with the clumping of the flock in the packet. He recommended buying a cheap rotary flour sift or similar and sifting the flock a few times to break up the clumps before putting it in the gun. Loose flock works better. Which is probably why the instrument cluster cover worked better than the dash proper as it used reclaimed flock.

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    Got the WWS flocker in the mail today. Tried it out on some tests.

    Thick epoxy+dye looks ok, doesn't feel as good though as the normal epoxy+dye one. That was with a brush though. I have a feeling with a roller will be better so will give that a shot.

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    I want to do a bunch of the E30 stuff ASAP mate, want to share costs of the gear and do some learning together?
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    I just put a order in for 1KG FK100 black 1mm flock.

    Come this far, may as well try it. I think the local guy saying he would do it for $200 is a bargain to be honest. But I like the challenge and the DIY of it. Sometimes I'd rather spend extra and learn something new. But as I get older, that feeling tends to be overridden by sense.

    I've spent just about $400 on everything now. The applicator at $180 shipped. Epoxy was $90. Flock was $72. Plus drop sheets, rollers, cleanup stuff $40.

    Did a test flock on a spare airbag cover from the dash. Came out really well but know I need quite a bit of flock to make sure I get it all. Sure half the flock you apply falls off but you don't want to be scooping up the flock while your epoxy is going off.

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    I bought a 1lb bag of it, and used SFA of it. Was really suprised about coverage even when i was massively over applying.
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    Yeah I was going to order just 500g but thought fuck it for a couple more quid, I can get the 1KG and have spare for anyone else. Pass it forward kinda thing.


    Here is my test on a dash part. You can see I missed a couple of spots with the epoxy. Only test anyway and it kinda gives an idea of the difference.

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    Yeah. Your electrostatic gun is far better than mine. Much better coverage and distribution.

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    Yeah it's a shame that the user is letting it down.

    Did another test on a bit of dash yesterday. It was the under steering wheel cowl.
    Had an issue with the epoxy not "sitting" on the surface of the plastic. Had to clean it up with wax and grease remover. Seems there was a oily coating on it.
    Managed to get it on and started applying some flock. After a couple of hours of drying time, shooked off the excess flock and what I found was not a flock desiity I liked. Still looked ok but you could see the plastic through the flock. Just wasn't dense enough. I kind of just said it myself, it's ok, it isn't seen much.

    It played on my mind so I decided to try the glove box cover.

    Cleaned, epoxy coated well with the roller. Made sure that there was a good connection from the applicator to the piece and that the epoxy was touching the ground strap.
    Heavly coated the piece in flock, I could see fibres transferring to the piece just holding the bucket close. Had a good feeling this time.

    Come this morning, shook off the excess and it was the same, passable and felt good but the flock denstity wasn't as high as I'd like.
    Then I noticed that in the corners, the flock density was fantasic, it looked and felt the same as the factory flock that is inside the glove box.

    I think the issue here is that the epoxy just isn't conductive enough even for the static charge. I thought it would be ok but testing the conductivity with a multimeter, there is nothing. It's like rubber. Even my finger had 0.3 mOhms.
    So I think that is a fail.

    Options, give up and accept Tim is right and never learn anything again by getting pros to do it.
    Or solder on and try to get some Graphite Power from somewhere to add to the epoxy and try again.
    At the very least, someone might learn something from this.

    You can see in this photo the corner is 5/7, rest of it is only about a 3.

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    Dig up, lol

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    Well Tim, I'm sure you have a grin ear to ear now.

    I'm defeated. The dash is off to Gold Coast Flocking.

    I tried, I tried to also document as much as possible so others don't fuck up if they want to do it themselves. I've spent over $500 trying. I keept trying in part because of what you said.

    Australia just doesn't have easy supply of what is really needed. The flocking I did, just isn't dense enough for my liking. It worked ok, just wasn't working as well as it should. It work as it should within 5cm of the ground clip. It was like velvet in that area. This all came down to the conductivity of the adhesive, or more lack there of it. The adhesive you use needs to be conductive, not 0 Ohms conductive but enough for the static charge to go through the entire coverage of adhesive.

    I'm using 2 part Epoxy, it's non-conductive in nature so the flock doesn't get attracted to it as much as it should.
    To solve this, you can add a conductive compound to it. Most common is Carbon Black, or VULCAN XC 72. It's expensive, cheaper stuff comes from China on a snail.
    I tried charcoal, from Bunnings. The bricks were conductive, enough for a static charge. I blended up a few bricks and turned them into solid state rocket fuel and added it to the resin. No conductivity.
    So the next step down the rabbit hole is to get these specialised additives. But there is no one that shares how it works and less than zero on how it works with dashes and epoxy. So it's another risk.

    Sure I could use a water based adhesive, but it's most testing to see what works best on a dash, is UV resistant and bonds well. Any local product needed to be tested. Could ship it in from the UK (like every other thing) that is known to work, but that just adds more cost.

    So, Tim, I know it is in jest but sometimes you get carried away. We try to do everything DIY, this is what PF was about. This is how you built your cars, I found it odd you took the direction you did, I thought you would have been one of the guys interested in doing it yourself, instead most of your posts were just saying get a pro to do it or waste of money. You like asking for info on things yourself, but rarely give it. I had a number of guys message me privately wanting to know more detail or to keep updated. It is supposed to be simple, but since Australia just doesn't have the products, everything becomes expensive. But I'd like to think that if someone can take away something from this, even the do's and don'ts, then it's worth it. So yes, you are right, if someone doesn't have all the info and starts from scratch then it would be a cheaper option just to get a Pro to do it, but how do we learn. I really hope this has helped others and maybe even made it cheaper for someone to DIY.


    Will post pictures once it's done.

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    I used the water based adhesive from Timbecon and it seems to be holding up ok. If my gun was better and I had pre sifted Iím sure it would be a smoother finish

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    Apologies to come over smug.

    My advise was trying to be helpful.

    Iím sorry you tried to prove my opinion wrong and it cost more than double a professional outcome..

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    Yeah so am I, I took the hard road and ended up costing. At least others can learn.

    Just that adhesive I chose. And I've drawn that line of no more wasting money.

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    At least you gave it a go Nick. Thanks for showing us the results and explaining the process.

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    Quite a bit shit that it didn't turn out, was looking forward to having a go with you.

    Very interested to see how old mate on the GC does with your dash. If it's good it's definitely worth the drive to get done for so little.
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    So got these back today, 5 pieces (dash, glovebox, drivers under cowl, airbag and centre console) with the dash being the biggest. $265, dropped them off on Thursday. Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Just need to find time to rip my old one out and fit this now.

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    Old mate flocker had a V8 Supercar dash he was flocking. Thing was all carbon fibre and I could lift it with a pinky.

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    Looks amazing Nick well worth the money..

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    Looks great!
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    Man that does look great. If i had a mob down in Vic willing to do it for $200 i would have done that. Cheapest quote i got was $450
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    It's hard to take photos of as I have to crank up the exposure and bring up the blacks. Stuff acts like venta black and doesn't bounce much light at all. The photos of the dash outside the car are closer to what it looks like in real space. I guess that is the benefit of having all the fibres on end. Hard for light to bounce back out.

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    That's unbelievable. Calling old mate today to book in for next week with a bunch of my stuff based on those result.
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    Looks good dude

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    Looks interesting, I had seen it done before a few years ago in a GC8 and it looked like shit so dismissed the idea, but that looks ok. Pic after it is cleaned up plz.
    How long is it expected to last and if it degrades, how is it expected to look after a couple of years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myliberty View Post
    Looks interesting, I had seen it done before a few years ago in a GC8 and it looked like shit so dismissed the idea, but that looks ok. Pic after it is cleaned up plz.
    How long is it expected to last and if it degrades, how is it expected to look after a couple of years?
    Not sure man, that installed photo doesn't do it justice. The light I was using really highlighted the lint. To the naked eye it's very clean. Old man flocker said that it's UV resistant adhesive and the flock itself it UV resistant too. But at the price, if it only lasts 5 years I'd be happy just to get it redone.

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    Well yeah the polyester fibers and epoxy coatings are not likely to degrade, it would simply come down to wear. They can get a carpet to last longer than 5 years with heavy traffic so I have faith that will look fine in a decade. Plenty of OEM flocking lasts far longer than that.
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    whats the deal with this flock stuff vs other materials like alcantara?

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