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    Quote Originally Posted by Tardinator View Post
    Is that a re-badged Mazda 6 wagon?
    It doesn't look red to me ... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    When do these problems outside of warranty start happening?
    Mumís 3 is 10 years old & hasnít had anything needing to be fixed, warranty or otherwise.
    Obviously, on average, a statistically-impossible time-bomb?!
    Thereís an exception to every rule. Lucky mummy. Bk and before are fine.

    I have worked across Toyota/Mazda and Mitsubishi from technician to service to warranty and my statement was founded on 15 years with those brands. I still work there now.

    Your opinion is based on one car, mine is only based on thousands and thousands of claims and personally working on the cars

    But thatís not valid of course cos internet?


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    ^ You just said BK & before are fine, 10 years old is BK & before.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluerx7 View Post
    Thereís an exception to every rule. Lucky mummy. Bk and before are fine.

    I have worked across Toyota/Mazda and Mitsubishi from technician to service to warranty and my statement was founded on 15 years with those brands. I still work there now.

    Your opinion is based on one car, mine is only based on thousands and thousands of claims and personally working on the cars

    But thatís not valid of course cos internet?


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    That's the problem when you're that entrenched in the industry. You become the last person everyone listens to, because you're not telling them what they want to hear. Realities are easily lost to clever marketing, and savy salesmen.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
    That's the problem when you're that entrenched in the industry. You become the last person everyone listens to, because you're not telling them what they want to hear. Realities are easily lost to clever marketing, and savy salesmen.
    And when youíre a cop, the only non-cops you deal with are criminals so everyone whoís not a cop is a criminal ... ?


    Nah, I donít doubt there are some problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Shermuz View Post
    They would still be the number one brand in this country if instead of trying to shift focus to "new markets" they just got the biggest stinkiest ute they could get out of the USA and ran a don draper tv add. Do you like utes, and fishing, and chicks? This ute is 16 times bigger than the last ute, you can put 1600 fishing rods in the back and drive over native turtle nests to get to the beach and fish! Fish love this ute, chicks love dudes who have this ute. Beer! Only fags hate this ute, don't be a fag, buy the ute!
    Yep

    If Holden just imported all the most redneck Yank shit that GM has, theyd sell the fuck out of them

    Big pickups with LS's, Suburbans with LS's, Trailblazer SSs with LS's, Cadillacs with LS's, Camaros with LS's, Corvettes with LS's

    (Substitute LS with LT or whatever the fuck is the applicable V8 model now)

    All those things are sick.. also, theyre not trying to sell substandard products in flooded segments
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    Which is easy if they could be fucked engineering rhd models. Which they clearly couldn't. So we get the global gimp grab bag of whatever shit they think their marketeers can fist us with.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see that shit flood the market here, I think it's a lot more ready for it than it was in suburban v.1 days but all the signals they send indicate it's pointless discussing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darwinschops View Post
    Which is easy if they could be fucked engineering rhd models. Which they clearly couldn't. So we get the global gimp grab bag of whatever shit they think their marketeers can fist us with.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see that shit flood the market here, I think it's a lot more ready for it than it was in suburban v.1 days but all the signals they send indicate it's pointless discussing it.
    Yeah true, the market has gotten dumber; but there were a lot of people saying theyíd buy an in-the-closet truck like the Suburb back then, yet nobody actually bought one when they were put on the market.
    I think it has to be a ute; flat-brimmers arenít buying a wagon.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluerx7 View Post
    Thereís an exception to every rule. Lucky mummy. Bk and before are fine.

    I have worked across Toyota/Mazda and Mitsubishi from technician to service to warranty and my statement was founded on 15 years with those brands. I still work there now.

    Your opinion is based on one car, mine is only based on thousands and thousands of claims and personally working on the cars

    But thatís not valid of course cos internet?


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    It would be interesting to see the failure rate per model, eg non service interval warranty repairs over how many were sold.

    Not saying your opinion isn't valid or worthwhile but you also really only see the bad ones that come in. If a model comes in a lot more than other models, you would also have to take into account the units sold for a model.

    But yeah, seems Holden are just reacting to the market now, not leading it.
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    Holden gone for reals by 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    It would be interesting to see the failure rate per model, eg non service interval warranty repairs over how many were sold.

    Not saying your opinion isn't valid or worthwhile but you also really only see the bad ones that come in. If a model comes in a lot more than other models, you would also have to take into account the units sold for a model.

    But yeah, seems Holden are just reacting to the market now, not leading it.
    Yes, thatís what I base my opinion on, vehicles in vs vehicles sold vs vehicles rooted.

    For eg
    Bt50 - every car is rooted 5/7
    Mazda 3 - heaps rooted
    Mazda 2 - pretty good

    Back when I worked for holden
    Captiva -rooted
    Commodore - pretty rooted but less mechanical issues
    Cruze -fucking rooted all over

    I would like to drive a new commo for a while and see how they are long term . I suspect they canít be any worse than old ones and are probably improved .

    Anything less touched by Australian union workers is better .


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    I was driving behind an almost new Captiva the other day and noticed that the little stainless key barrel on the rear door was rusted to fuck.

    That's actually impressively bad! If they can't get a highly visible cheap bit right you've got to wonder what goes wrong underneath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    I was driving behind an almost new Captiva the other day and noticed that the little stainless key barrel on the rear door was rusted to fuck.
    The children of the operators have excessively corrosive sweat; not disimilar to Ripley's alien.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluerx7 View Post
    Yes, thatís what I base my opinion on, vehicles in vs vehicles sold vs vehicles rooted.

    For eg
    Bt50 - every car is rooted 5/7
    Mazda 3 - heaps rooted
    Mazda 2 - pretty good

    Back when I worked for holden
    Captiva -rooted
    Commodore - pretty rooted but less mechanical issues
    Cruze -fucking rooted all over

    I would like to drive a new commo for a while and see how they are long term . I suspect they canít be any worse than old ones and are probably improved .

    Anything less touched by Australian union workers is better .


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    20 years ago we pretty much didn't see warranty claims on Mazdas. Probably the most common complaint we had was with manual 121s being hard to shift when cold. Fresh gear oil fixed it 99% of the time, the few that it didn't were sorted by changing to synthetic. Mine didn't count as my shift rod was bent, and full of mud.
    Even the "dealer fit" remote locking/alarm systems didn't give that much grief, again except for mine which filled up with dust.
    Mitsubishi on the other hand, TE Magnas with failing autos, leaking door seals, fucked paint, wrong airbag system, strut knocks and noisy hand brakes. MK Tritons with water leaks in the roof seams, tailshaft failures, glow plug failures and christ knows what else.
    Holden was next level, and this was before Daewoo. Commodores coming in with weeping sumps on ecotechs, fucked LS1s, fucked diffs, fucked transmissions, fucked fuel pumps, Jackaroo diesels with cam chain failures, Rodeos with fucked cam tensioners on V6, Calibras in general, Astras with A/C failures, Barinas with water leaks due to the A/C install.
    The dealer group I worked for ended up getting rid of both Mitsubishi and Holden, too many dramas.

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    ^ thatís what happens when Ford gets involved (Mazdaís turning to shit)

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    ^ But Ford was the basis of those uber-reliable first-model 3ís ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yohoes View Post
    Yep

    If Holden just imported all the most redneck Yank shit that GM has, theyd sell the fuck out of them

    Big pickups with LS's, Suburbans with LS's, Trailblazer SSs with LS's, Cadillacs with LS's, Camaros with LS's, Corvettes with LS's
    le V8 model now)
    Yeah nah.

    The reason Holdens have been shit for the last 11ty years is they have GM AIDS built in.

    People are saying the Insigniadore is a good car. It probably is, but after a while they will start showing symptoms of GM AIDS, just like every Astra, Vectra and Barina. Everything that has come out of a Daewoo or Isuzu factory is also afflicted with GM AIDS.

    Big cube derp mobiles will never sell in volume in Australia. Camaros will appeal to the bogan Ipswich crowd, but they won't be able to afford them. Most will be sold to mid life crisis types, both men and women. For a short while they will be pleased with their purchase, and then reality will sink in and they will ask themselves "what the fuck was I thinking?" Much like jeep owners.

    Yep, Holden (or Chev) have become like Chysler Jeep. The brand that nobody will ever buy twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yohoes View Post
    Yep

    If Holden just imported all the most redneck Yank shit that GM has, theyd sell the fuck out of them

    Big pickups with LS's, Suburbans with LS's, Trailblazer SSs with LS's, Cadillacs with LS's, Camaros with LS's, Corvettes with LS's

    (Substitute LS with LT or whatever the fuck is the applicable V8 model now)

    All those things are sick.. also, theyre not trying to sell substandard products in flooded segments
    It's a bit fucked that they don't sell a duramax suburban even in the states. I know yanks don't like diesels but fuck me I'd love one.

    HSV silverados are due some time this year aren't they? $115k starting price is steep but duramax and near 6 tonne towing with factory warranty is pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    ^ thatís what happens when Ford gets involved (Mazdaís turning to shit)
    Other way round, Mazda started having problems when Ford off loaded them to keep themselves afloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kermit View Post
    It's a bit fucked that they don't sell a duramax suburban even in the states. I know yanks don't like diesels but fuck me I'd love one.

    HSV silverados are due some time this year aren't they? $115k starting price is steep but duramax and near 6 tonne towing with factory warranty is pretty cool.
    The diesel was never a big seller in the Suburban when it was offered in the US, granted diesels in general weren't big sellers until after 2000. Finding a high spec diesel Suburban is pretty difficult by all accounts, guy on another site finally found a '97 diesel LT suburban after nearly 18 months of searching. Every other diesel he found were all base spec. He reckons for every 1 diesel Sub there would be a couple of hundred 454 powered one.
    With GM moving the Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon upmarket there was a feeling a diesel would be a negative image. With the later models it's even harder to offer the Duramax as they've moved away from being closely related to the pickups.
    Interestingly GM has replaced the 6.6 Duramax in the vans with the 2.8 from the Colorado, diesel vans are relatively popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mondo2000 View Post
    or Isuzu factory is also afflicted with GM AIDS.
    GM aids was separated from Isuzu a long time ago..

    Isuzu Japan are taking a lot more ownership in the last few years of the Dmax and Mux then they have prior.
    For a long time they let Thailand run there own race making them and they made the real dollars out of trucks and fixed engines.
    Hence why they are currently imported by "Isuzu Utes Australia" not Isuzu like the trucks.
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    So what I take from the last couple of pages of this thread, is..all modern cars are shit, don't buy one?

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    ^ No, this last page has been way more focused, ďdonít buy any new GM product nor a new MazdaĒ.
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    And I saw on the interwebs, I think the drive.com.au site that the new commode has been recalled already for incorrectly installed rear seat belts.

    Apparently about 2100 cars affected. From what you guys have been saying it should be an easy fix as all but a hundred or so are still in the dealers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PXL265 View Post
    Apparently about 2100 cars affected. From what you guys have been saying it should be an easy fix as all but a hundred or so are still in the dealers.
    I was gonna say 8, but yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mondo2000 View Post
    Big cube derp mobiles will never sell in volume in Australia. Camaros will appeal to the bogan Ipswich crowd, but they won't be able to afford them. Most will be sold to mid life crisis types, both men and women. For a short while they will be pleased with their purchase, and then reality will sink in and they will ask themselves "what the fuck was I thinking?" Much like jeep owners.

    Yep, Holden (or Chev) have become like Chysler Jeep. The brand that nobody will ever buy twice.
    Half of Perth will buy them

    Who do you think kept HSV afloat this whole time?

    Plenty FIFO still happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kermit View Post
    It's a bit fucked that they don't sell a duramax suburban even in the states. I know yanks don't like diesels but fuck me I'd love one.

    HSV silverados are due some time this year aren't they? $115k starting price is steep but duramax and near 6 tonne towing with factory warranty is pretty cool.
    115k is too steep for what you get

    Obviously its a low volume RHD converted cost price point but in my hypothetical, unrealistic post I was thinking about a factory car sold at a realistic price point

    With no more SS/HSV V8s theres needs to be something to fill the void.. we wont get cool shit so cunts will just buy new Hiluxs and put big tyres on them

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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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