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    Quote Originally Posted by Xnke View Post
    Kentucky rules, as I was taught in "you fucked up" traffic school.

    All-stop intersections:
    All vehicles must come to a complete stop behind the white demarcation line. All. Vehicles. Must. Stop.
    The vehicle arriving and stopping first, has the right of way. Right of way passes to each successive vehicle-so pay attention to where you are in line!
    If vehicles cannot decide order, one vehicle goes and the right of way passes clockwise. Pay attention.
    Sounds like a recipe for disaster, given the average driver has 5% of their concentration devoted to non-instagram persuits.

    I wish we were able to "left turn on red" in Aus though.

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    ^ yeah i knew it, in practice its basically a free-for-all. Why they dont just embrace the roundabout i'll never know

    Quote Originally Posted by Matty View Post
    I'll tell you who can get fucked: those cunts on a busy freeway onramp who think that their entitled merge point is 200m further up the road than everyone patiently zippering in front of them.
    Guilty as charged, but only because useless cunts here cant merge without instinctively slowing to a crawl when the traffic theyre merging with is doing 80+

    End result is a queue of cars sitting there with their indicators on, while those of us who are not completely retard blast past and are half a kay up the road before these idiots have even got up to speed again
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    Quote Originally Posted by perthdrivers.txt View Post
    End result is a queue of cars sitting there with their indicators on, while those of us who are not completely retard blast past and are half a kay up the road before these idiots have even got up to speed again
    Which is better than the Brisbane alternative, which is the cars on the highway slamming on the brakes at the first sight of a car on an on ramp to "let them in".

    Edit: and the same applies for the merge points in the OP and any other point where someone is required to change from one lane into another. The masses drive in the exact polar opposite to the law
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    Re-thinking this the thing that shits me with merges in Victoria is when the driver in the ending lane makes no attempt to merge until their lane is narrower than their car, at which point they either drift over into the continuing lane without looking or notice that there isn't room for them to merge and either slow down or stop at the broken line.

    All of this behavior is much worse than anything that can happen at an ACT style lane merge, and probably happens more often than two cars travelling perfectly side by side forever and ever.

    I still think a tiebreaker would be useful, maybe the left gives way to the right because right is right. ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I’ve driven all over our country and a few of other peoples. Generally Australian standards are very poor. We are impatient and arrogant on the roads (me included).
    Yep. Just to get one car in front and get to the red light 200m down the road quicker

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Canberra drivers are endemic red light runners. I’ve never seen anywhere so bad! But zipper merging they are generally very very good. I was super impressed when I moved here usually when someone is being a dick when merging they have vic or nsw plates lol
    You must drive on different Canberra roads than I do. My experience is the majority of Canberra drivers can't zipper merge for shit. Majura Parkway is a classic when drivers are trying to merge onto the Parkway from Tambreet St but they don't seem able to get their cars up to near 100km/h to merge even though the merge ramp is over 1km long, yet if you take off from the lights next to these same fuckstains with a form one lane a few hundred metres ahead they will drag race you like it's life and death to try and beat you (usually in a SUV) and then once you get into the one lane they will slow down to 10km/h or more under the speed limit.

    Flemington Rd coming from Gungahlin toward Mitchell and there is roadworks associated with the tram, has been for 18 months or so. It didn't start last night, it has been nearly 2 years. There is "roilling" partial lane closures, usually the right lane. Plenty of signage letting people know up to a kilometre in advance that the lane is ending and people should merge. So the sensible people start merging as soon as they see the sign and traffic slows a bit as the lane gets fuller but the smart-arses (who think the sign doesn't apply to them) and the dumb-arses (who failed to see the multiple signs and 11ty billion orange traffic cones and the multiple cars merging to the other lane) think it's fine to accellerate down the blocked lane until it's physically no longer possible to travel any further and then - only if they feel like it - indicate to merge into the other lane and expect everybody to jam their brakes on to let them in. This is what causes crashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreaksMyWallet View Post
    I wish we were able to "left turn on red" in Aus though.
    You can in some places. There are a few signs in Canberra that allow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by takai View Post
    You can in some places. There are a few signs in Canberra that allow it.
    Turning left out of Gladstone St in Fyshwick onto Newcastle St (across the road from Maccas) and turning left from Newcastle St onto Barrier St (across from Bunnings)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falc&Send View Post

    So the sensible people start merging as soon as they see the sign and traffic slows a bit as the lane gets fuller but the smart-arses (who think the sign doesn't apply to them) and the dumb-arses (who failed to see the multiple signs and 11ty billion orange traffic cones and the multiple cars merging to the other lane) think it's fine to accellerate down the blocked lane until it's physically no longer possible to travel any further and then - only if they feel like it - indicate to merge into the other lane and expect everybody to jam their brakes on to let them in. This is what causes crashes.
    The sensible people in your story aren't being sensible. The sensible thing to do is use both lanes fully, then zipper merge where required. Not leave one lane empty just because it is closed 3 km down the road.

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    No, the lane is only closed a few hundred metres, not 3km. It is not sensible to dive into the other lane at the last moment making everyone slam on their brakes and potentially causing nose-to-tail crashes. It is sensible to merge when the other lane is clear. As I said, at best they are only going to get one or maybe two cars in front and then have to wait (beside the car(s) they just cut in front of) at the traffic lights anyway, so no advantage gained. Unless you count being a dick as an advantage.

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    School zones should be nationalised

    NSW is ok, flashing lights usually during school times, off in holidays.

    Qld 40kmh between am and am then pm and pm. Spend more time looking at sign, then checking Speedo, then click, then fuck, ran over a kid.... Retarded. Some schools also have a 40 with the same small writing underneath saying 7am - 5pm , at the same school. FUCK. OFF.

    Vic. No one can see the signs because just too many signs for everything but they do have those squiggly lines on the road, and you're going super slow because Harold Scruby makes sure you get pinged for 1kmh over

    SA no one lives there but 25kmh "when children present" - fuck me if that doesn't make sense.

    Wa - do they even have schools?

    Nt / act - no one lives there so NFI
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    ACT it's 40km/h in school zones from 8am to 4pm (school days - signs are folded/covered when school holidays).

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    Everyone thinks their area has the worst drivers. Until they spend a decent amount of time elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm DJ! View Post

    SA no one lives there but 25kmh "when children present" - fuck me if that doesn't make sense.
    The trouble with that is it makes them almost default 25 zones the whole time, because you never know when the little bastards might be wandering around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Everyone thinks their area has the worst drivers. Until they spend a decent amount of time elsewhere.
    My first day of driving in the UK this time was a Sunday; I thought they’d devolved to Australian levels of lane discipline!

    But, no; it turns out they take their Sunday Driving very very seriously here!

    On the direct thread topic though, some of the strange localised rules are way more confusing than even the most retated seeming things at home (eg. hook turns). For example, Liverpool has these u-turn lanes which have you drive on the RHS of the road so you’re not crossing over cars doing u-turns from the other direction ... except some are unmarked except for an arrow painted on the road which you can only see once you’re on the wrong side of the road (and fortunately not facing someone in a hurry coming the other way ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xnke View Post
    They don't even teach 4/5/6-way stops in driver's ed anymore here. Nor do they teach traffic circles, or how to merge onto a limited access highway. Also no one knows the laws for right-turns-on-red...but then again it's just like in AU-every one of our 50 states has differing traffic laws. Even so...it's rare to find someone who isn't brain dead, or on their cell phone.

    Kentucky rules, as I was taught in "you fucked up" traffic school.

    All-stop intersections:
    All vehicles must come to a complete stop behind the white demarcation line. All. Vehicles. Must. Stop.
    The vehicle arriving and stopping first, has the right of way. Right of way passes to each successive vehicle-so pay attention to where you are in line!
    If vehicles cannot decide order, one vehicle goes and the right of way passes clockwise. Pay attention.

    Right Turn on Red:
    Must turn right from rightmost lane into rightmost lane.
    May not make turn from red light if any traffic present.
    May not make turn from red if not in rightmost lane, even if you are in a right turn lane.
    Must come to a complete stop before making right turn.
    Left turn on red follows same rules but only when turning left from the leftmost lane onto a one-way street, following proper direction of traffic.

    There are plenty of other bullshit traffic laws, but the above two and fucking turn signals are the ones that are completely, totally ignored in my locality.
    Pennsylvania has the retarded stop signs that are about 5 m (15 ft) back from a point where you have sight distance. So you stop, then go forward to stop again so you can check if shit is coming, this then results in what the locals call the rolling stop, but police call a ticket.
    I'm working out of NYC at the moment, and I now understand why cars and shit are everywhere. Taxis/ubers and shit weave around looking for fares and block the two lanes on each side for pickup and drop off. Then the line markings are worn away, which makes it fun especially on two way avenues.
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    I just did a big interstate trip. Jealous of Melbourne's road system, speed limits, and drivers.

    Before you bitch, try driving in Brisbane, it's proper-fucked comparitively.
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    100% agree with Shifty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Before you bitch, try driving in Brisbane, it's proper-fucked comparitively.
    I reckon that if you're getting a bit unhappy with driving around Brisbane, just do a lap around the Mould Coast; they're definitely worse down there! It's a special blend of total lack of awareness PLUS petty vindictiveness; they only notice other drivers are on the road when there's something they can do to make that other driver's day just that little bit worse.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    I reckon that if you're getting a bit unhappy with driving around Brisbane, just do a lap around the Mould Coast; they're definitely worse down there! It's a special blend of total lack of awareness PLUS petty vindictiveness; they only notice other drivers are on the road when there's something they can do to make that other driver's day just that little bit worse.
    The trams are slowly getting Gold Cost cars on to the scrap heap, which is both amusing and sad. But hey it's the Gold Coast, so who cares.

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    Driving in either Brisbane or GC is fucked. Just drove down to Melbourne to move and I didn’t start enjoying the drive til I was south of the border. Can’t believe how good NSW drivers were with right hand lane etiquette. It’s like I was in another country or something.
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    In NSW, you'll be roadraged into using the left lane.

    That's how we roll.
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    Merging at the last possible point when your lane ends might be the most efficient way to do it, however by that point the guy who will be letting you in has probably already let someone in, so he's inclined to think 'fuck you' and not make room. The most efficient way to do it is to get up to speed quickly and merge safely when you're up to speed.

    On my commute home there's a merge after Capalaba where you go from a road doing 80km/hr and merge onto a road doing 80km/hr. So of course everyone slows down to 40km/hr to merge. Fucktards.

    It's probably 'old man yelling at clouds' but I'd suggest driver behaviour on the roads has declined to a point where it's probably terminal. Every day I see people doing stupid moves without indicating, failing to even look to give way and sitting in the right hand lane doing 20km/hr under the limit. I'd estimate I undertake about 20 people on my 25km commute daily and I don't even really speed.

    Bring on the self driving cars for these automatons. It's a general reflection of society, no-one has any shame or gives a fuck about anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    It's probably 'old man yelling at clouds' but I'd suggest driver behaviour on the roads has declined to a point where it's probably terminal.
    Yep. The thing that really gets me is that it's somehow become broadly acceptable in the last few years to just not bother with the indicator. I'm fairly certain this is somewhat recent - it definitely wasn't this bad when I started driving in the 90's.

    In my area it's fun to watch the local derps try to negotiate roundabouts. There's a 50/50 chance they'll either use their indicator but fuck it up completely, or not indicate at all. Super rare to see anyone get it right, but that might be partly because the country slackjaws around here hadn't even seen a roundabout until 5-10 years ago and can't wrap their head around this black magic.
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    The amount of redlight runners in Sydney is a worry though.

    You'd pull up to the lights safely, just as it's turned red, and 5 or 6 other cunts in the other lane just sail on through.
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    In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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    We're getting that here now too. People entering the intersection as your light goes green and then getting all offended when you dare to honk them. What annoys me most is the one intersection on my commute I see that happen on has the highest accident rate of any intersection in Queensland, and they don't have a red light camera.

    A new one I hadn't seen until the last few years is fucktards that change into an ending lane in heavy traffic to gain one car space. Added bonus if they then try to cut in front of you into a non-existent gap without even trying to indicate. I will literally run you into a tree for that one (probably not, but I'll talk big about it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Purple View Post
    A new one I hadn't seen until the last few years is fucktards that change into an ending lane in heavy traffic to gain one car space. Added bonus if they then try to cut in front of you into a non-existent gap without even trying to indicate. I will literally run you into a tree for that one (probably not, but I'll talk big about it).

    Haha yup. Reminds me of cunts who'll fly across 3 lanes at an orange light to be first in the queue, then take off so slowly all the cars they were dead keen to get in front of overtake them again. I just want to ask one of them, what is the point of that?

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    ^Add moped riders that lane split to be first away at the lights but haven't got enough power so get overtaken by grannys driving 120Ys

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    Some fucktard did that to me the other day - lane split to the front on a 50cc scooter uphill in an 80 zone.

    How fucking suicidal do you have to be...

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