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    Has anyone mentioned that itís a stupid idea to ruin a Mk1 escort yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukevl View Post
    Has anyone mentioned that itís a stupid idea to future-proof a Mk1 escort yet?
    Not yet!
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Yeah no. You would build it because shes too useless to drive a manual and then she would never drive it anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    Not yet!
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and place $10 on you being dead (from old age or aneurysm from having to see the popularity of the dual cab ute continuing to rise) before we run out of petrol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Plus shipping and import duty....
    And AUD to USD shitty dollar conversion.

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    Electric conversion - dumb idea for Mk1 Escort?

    A 200-220hp Duratec, 5 or 6 Speed (either a modernised Type9 or a MX5 box) and a slightly uprated clutch with a widely chosen master cylinder will be super easy to drive and very tractable if you keep a bit of flywheel weight. Do the same with a decent brake setup so thereís a bit more modern boosted bite/feel.

    Itíll also behave like a Escort on the road given the engine is no heavier than the original fitments.

    Plenty of off the shelf suspension and crossmember setups to make it handle and still be smooth/comfortable.

    Itís still going to be $20k plus to do nice but will be a proper retro-tech car that other people may actually want to own when you donít want it anymore.
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    The conversation with the ginger beer will be awesome.

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    c20xe on carbs. best cheap engine for an esky.
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    Ahh it wouldn't be a PF thread without everyone completely missing the point.

    1: Dude wants to build weekend toy out of car already owned.
    2: Wants wife to be able to drive
    3: Wife won't drive manual therefore must not have manual gearbox
    4: Dude thinks EV could be cool to build to give cool old car with drivetrain wife will actually use.
    5: PF comes to the rescue by suggesting 4 cylinder manual gearbag options thereby complete defeating the purpose of the build in the first place.
    6: Then dude comes in suggesting carbie camira motor just to make sure it's not only unsuitable for original goals but unreliable as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    c20xe on carbs. best cheap engine for an esky.
    So an old, fucked motor that is hard to get and illegal to run on carbs. Newsflash, it's not Ol' Blighty we're living in.
    Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    So an old, fucked motor that is hard to get and illegal to run on carbs. Newsflash, it's not Ol' Blighty we're living in.
    To be fair, when you *do* find a Calibra, it's basically free.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    I was dubious on whether an electric powertrain might be worth a look ... Iím more convinced now, than when I asked the question, that aftermarket electric powertrain stuff is about where engine-management was with Microtech in the early 90ís - very full of Do Not Want. This may change with battery technology change & more demand, but it ainít there yet.

    But thereís no way in hell Iím going to fuck-up this car with carbies, and thereís ESPECIALLY no fucking way itís getting some shit old assplodey unsupported Opel engine of any sort!
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Plus shipping and import duty....
    The seller would more than likely put shipping them here into the too hard basket, high current Li=lots of red tape. And $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captiva Fan View Post
    But thereís no way in hell Iím going to fuck-up this car with carbies, and thereís ESPECIALLY no fucking way itís getting some shit old assplodey unsupported Opel engine of any sort!
    Bet you'd have less issues with Webers than you would with the Motec on your imaginary Volvo.
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    jap bike carbs on a cosworth designed engine. both utterly faultless and piss easy to do, well documented, off the shelf parts and makes easy power and sounds mint.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Bet you'd have less issues with Webers than you would with the Motec on your imaginary Volvo.
    I can't imagine how horrible it would be to imaginarily drive if it had carbs on it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    nek minnit sr20 swap cos better
    I think this is pretty obvious, what's your point?
    Last edited by Captiva Fan; 09-10-18 at 02:18 PM.
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    I think you need to explore why Mrs Forg isnít inclined towards a manual as a weekend/occasional car.

    Thereís nothing stopping a manual from having a light easy to modulate clutch and a smooth shift action, likewise brakes can be boosted and set up to feel more modern OEM than madden street car.

    But as obtuse (and slightly cringeworthy) as it sounds an automatic MX5 could provide a driveline with a relatively workable supply of off-the-shelf fitment parts and be relatively brisk considering the escort is a bit lighter than an MX5.

    And here we are PF once again suggesting things that arenít electric...
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/EV-Conversi...-/292695676305

    Cant vouch for the quality, but the fact someone is putting kits together is a bonus.

    Wouldn't be a huge drama to mate up to a gear box for some different ratios.

    as some said earlier, distributing battery weight around the small cab will be challenging.

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    After the hate I received on the street machine Facebook page over the weekend for Ďdestroying an FDí when everyone with a clear view of the world knows itís been improved in almost every way, I can only imagine youíd be publicly executed for doing a shit EV conversion on a Mk1 escort.

    I vote for an auto MX5 as per above

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukevl View Post
    After the hate I received on the street machine Facebook page over the weekend for ¬Ďdestroying an FD¬í when everyone with a clear view of the world knows it¬ís been improved in almost every way, I can only imagine you¬íd be publicly executed for doing a shit EV conversion on a Mk1 escort.

    I vote for an auto MX5 as per above
    embrace the hate. I actually get a warm fuzzy feeling from upsetting people like that.
    I think if you put some planning into the layout you could avoid cutting a classic up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboesky View Post
    embrace the hate. I actually get a warm fuzzy feeling from upsetting people like that.
    I think if you put some planning into the layout you could avoid cutting a classic up.
    400hp and 1000n can be had (reasonably easily) from a Colorado diesel..... slap that in a VN commo will rile up the haters !

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    Actually thatís an idea, use a auto driveline from a 4x2 Ranger diesel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Actually thatís an idea, use a auto driveline from a 4x2 Ranger diesel

    Rolling coal in a Mk1 Esky
    3.2 will do 500hp 1200n !!

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    Maximise the hate by putting a Colorado diesel into the escort

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukevl View Post
    Maximise the hate by putting a Colorado diesel into the escort
    thats why I suggested it !!

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    Why not fit a 1.3L Kent into a Colorado?
    The blue smoke is probably more annoying than the black smoke, and itís not blocking the road any less nor is it any less of a danger to all & sundry than with the diesel engine ... ?
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    Like fuck it would be cheaper.

    Mondeo ST200 for the Zetec, sump and bellhousing are off the shelf.... or, MX5 driveline with Ford cam covers...
    Depends. A few hundred dollars for a second hand forklift motor, and the same to build an Open Revolt controller. If you are going to add battery costs then you need to compare with total lifetime costs of an IC engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    angry atmo kent on bike carbs or a honda k swap. some cars deserve internal combustion.
    Yeah I'm sure his missus would love driving that. If doing a piston engine swap I'd go for a turbo Zetec SE (1.6 litre, different block to 2 litre), or turbo MX5 B6, BP or Mazda/Kia ZM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    To do anything decent is gunna cost a reasonable chunk of coin..... a 300hp zetec with a sludge box behind it would be cheaper.
    Atmo 300hp durazetec costs megabucks, turbo not much.

    Quote Originally Posted by lukevl View Post
    Has anyone mentioned that itís a stupid idea to ruin a Mk1 escort yet?
    Not so much now that you can buy brand spankers escort shells, better quality than the ford factory ever made, like yank Rustaros and Mustanks. My view is if you have a really good escort shell that was originally a desirable model, do a full concourse restoration. If you have an auto 1100 shell, build rally car, street car, whatever the fuck you want. BTW I have done an auto trans tunnel swap into a manual 2 door mk1 shell.

    Where I think an electric conversion would be awesome is for a weekend play car for use in hill climb, khana cross or lap dash/time attack events. Don't need a lot of range for those events so the battery would be small, light and cheap and the power delivery from the electric motor would make it easy to drive. It also negates the need for an expensive close ratio gearbox, which is on the wish list of just about every driver who does those sort of events.

    It may be able to do double duty as a commuter, depending on the range requirements for said commute. I think resale on electric converted classic cars is pretty goof because hipsters love them. Hipsters can't handle internal combustion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mondo2000 View Post
    Atmo 300hp durazetec costs megabucks, turbo not much.
    Yeah turbo was a given but atmo with quads would be awesome !!

    How bout an old school motor like a 2jz ?

    https://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=8727

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    Quote Originally Posted by mondo2000 View Post
    Depends. A few hundred dollars for a second hand forklift motor, and the same to build an Open Revolt controller. If you are going to add battery costs then you need to compare with total lifetime costs of an IC engine.
    What a bullshit argument. The cost up to the point where it is a driving, usable vehicle will include the battery cost.
    "Oh, it only cost a grand for the electric conversion, but I need $25,000 worth of batteries to use it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    What a bullshit argument. The cost up to the point where it is a driving, usable vehicle will include the battery cost.
    "Oh, it only cost a grand for the electric conversion, but I need $25,000 worth of batteries to use it"
    It'll drive fine with a $200 1300 engine, but to make it fun with a duratec will be another 20k...

    Same same but different ?

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