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    Quote Originally Posted by MVLUV View Post
    It's a bit busy in there.
    Not kidding! Looks like I have to drop the rad to get the rest of the coolant pipes out of the thing - there's a y branched chromed steel hard line that goes from the thermostat (under the headstock bracing) up to the rad filler neck, and across to the radiator. It's been pretty easy to work on otherwise...
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    What are the online resources like -- forums, owners' groups and the like? Are you finding it easy to get info?

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    There's a small, but good owners group - a forum based in the UK, with matching facebook group, a SB6 specific facebook group and an Aussie facebook group. I did some legwork to convert a 100meg collection of about 500 jpegs into a 13 meg searchable PDF of the workshop manual (it's in 4 languages from memory and it's mainly just a suggestion though, doesn't necessarily reflect how the bike is put together!), the parts book is easily available as a PDF, just need to get my hands on an owners manual now...
    When it comes down to it, they're not rocket science though.
    SB8R is a whole different kettle of fish...
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    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Got a few minutes to do some coolant hose work - mainly the hoses between the inlet stubs. The steel stubs aren't so great, and are discontinued by suzuki...
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    I've slotted them back in with fresh hose and o-rings, plan is to machine up replacements out of alloy and have them welded up - will slot the alloy ones in at some point down the road.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Got a chance to finish the carbs last night. Apart from the o-rings for the balancing tubes being the wrong size and having to scour the floors and benches for the old ones (found 5 out of 8 - some came from the 750 carbs I chopped up), it's all good. Of course I forgot to take a photo of the completed carbs. Bench balanced by shining a torch down the progression holes and looking for the edge of the throttle blade. Also fitted the stepped carb washers from a bloke on OSS - I measured the needle protrusion with verniers before fitment, and again after and was surprised so see it was bang on the same - I'd assumed, looking at the washers, that they'd sit a little thicker than stock, but they're bang on - I didn't realise the stupid step in the slides was quite that tall!

    Crap photo of the step in the slide - difficult to photograph - was shining a torch down it to try to get it to show up.



    Stepped needle washers vs stock - you can clearly see why they cock off to one side and wear the emulsion tube oval.



    Nopics was happy to have her friand tray back. (I think she's used it maybe once?)
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    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    So, I managed to get a solid slab of Saturday to work on this thing, which was great, but fuck it was kicking my arse for a chunk of it. I'd pulled all the coolant pipes out of it with the aim of replacing all the old fucked rubber... of course, there was gems like this, straight hose used to connect a bend... turns out the GSXR piece for the top of the rad was the perfect shape to use here.
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    Original hose was a bit crimped and fucked...
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    All the stuff on the side of the bike was a breeze, and 2 out of the 3 chromed bits polished back up nicely.
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    Could tell just by looking at it, that this one would be much harder work... and in fact the chrome was fucked, so it got a coat of black killrust.
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    Anyway, getting all the hoses/pipes/thermostat reinstalled and located right in and under the headstock was a bitch. Install with hose clamps loose, move shit around as best i could, fit radiator neck (the only bit bolted to the frame), refit radiator, check thermostat clearance, remove rad, tweak thermostat so the bypass hose sat right, refit rad, do up the hose clamps I could reach... Because I only had the one top hose, I used the straight piece intended for where I used the top hose - may wind up replacing with a top elbow, but seems to be ok. (Incidentally, because of part supecession, the length of hose used between the carbs is about 3 times the length used, so you only need to order one - the piece used across the front of the block is similarly over twice the necessary length). Also looks like this thing had a new rad fitted before being pulled off the road, which is nice.
    Sat down and cut and oiled the new air filter - comically small for a 150hp bike, really. Installed the airbox to the carbs first to get everything lined up, then in with the filter:
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    While we're on this photo, note the location of the idle adjuster bracket, this will become important later...

    Also knocked up and oiled a new filter for the carb vent filter thing, and drilled the housing for a zip tie to make up for the latchy bit being fucked. And bang, on with the carbs and airbox...
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    Should be able to just drop the tank on and it'll all sit bang on supported on the little rubber bits on the bottom, right?
    Nope. Spent 15 minutes tryting to figure out what the fuck was going on - decided the venty filter thing attached to the cam cover was the culprit... pulled it off, nope, what the fuck. Why isn't the back of the airbox sitting down where it should either? Knew the float bowls are swapped between #2 & #3, and ground down a bit on #4 for clearance against the upper shock mount, but when I looked, there was 1/2-3/4" clearance - why would they bother? Something was definiteley stopping the carbs sitting down in the rubbers properly... and there it was. The idle adjuster. Whoever had been into the thing before me, had assembled the adjuster to the bowl the "Suzuki way" not the "Bimota way", so it fouled on that fucking crossmember! Carbs back out, flipped the bracket over, and bang, down they sit. See below - this is the "Bimota way". The "Suzuki way" has the adjuster hard in the corner of the crossmember.
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    Cool. But what about that fucking venty thing holding the tank up? Tried tweaking the bracket a little - nope, no chance. Udid the screw that held it to the bracket (which is a low head cap screw like Bimota uses *everywhere* on this thing - this should have been my flashing big red warning light!), and just tucked it under the mounting bracket - bam - tank fits. At this point, I'd messaged another SB6 owner who currently has all the bodywork off his, and he sent me a picture of his venty thing. Of course it's bolted to the wrong fucking side of the bracket. Bimota, you cunts. Seriously?
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    Anyway, his is about 100 frames newer than mine, and the crankcase breather runs quite differently (as does his plug leads - no two bikes the same huh?), which I'll probably copy when I redo my breather hose - which is about 1" too short to sit in the right spot for the tank to finally sit down completely.

    Anyway, everything where it should be (apart from the breather hose)...
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    And the bottom of the tank, Carbied SRAD fuel tap sat in place (need to either convert it to dual outlet, use a t-piece or machine up a new top half without the dogleg and to put the outlets in the right spot)... Can see why it's so tight for clearance. And yes, the overflow tube needs replacing.
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    Spent some time cleaning it with a combination of carby cleaner and wax and grease remover. The wax and grease remover did an excellent job on bringing up the carbon guards and around the gauges, removing tape residue etc - it's actually in way better shape than I initially though... although I did discover that a bunch of the filth around the rear shock is the remains of the bump stop - which is completely gone. Sigh.

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    Next job is an oil change, sort out the fuel lines (and the fuel level switch), get the new batteries into it and kick it in the guts!

    Then some fiberglass work, and some more cleaning.... by which point some of the parts i'm waiting on will hopefully have arrived.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Got part way through the oil change process last night, old oil drained (came out in pretty good shape), filter off, new filter on and drain plug back in, didn't do the fill though, need to source a bit of hose and funnel for filling through the cam cover breather. Might see if I can hunt down a SB6R filler neck at some point too.

    Also started dummying up the little Lithium batteries - they're about 40mm shorter than the stock batteries, so looks like I'll be knocking up a platform for them to sit on so they're still clamped properly. Actually, come to think of it, I wonder if the overflow tank will fit under there? Spose I could fabricate an overflow tank to fit there if not.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Nice work, don't know if it would be an extra challenge or just a massive head fuck to know that most other bikes are arranged differently.

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    Haha, yeah, kinda have to tweak your mindset from "Normal Bikes" to "Bimotas" when you work on it.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Well I finished filling it with oil - not really that bad a job - 6mm driver bit held in a 1/4" ring spanner to get the filler bung out from behind the frame rail, then a flexi rubber funnel thing to fill it (slowly).

    So, about a week ago, I had a delivery of some bits that came from Denmark... Now, I know I said I was going to make my own seat, but I had the realisation that I really want to get this thing on the road sooner rather than later, so I grabbed one from the same guy I was getting the rear mudguard/brakelight mount/plate holder and rear sub-loom from. The photos he sent me of the carbon plate holder made it look pretty rough, with a chipped corner and the finish being a bit rough in general... but once I popped it out of the box and cleaned it up, and then hit it with some cut and polish, it came up pretty nicely. Seat was in pretty good shape too.

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    So, trimmed the bottom 1/2" or so off the plate holder and bolted it up. The I realised I needed to source the rubber isolators for mounting the tail light, so packed it up for the day....

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    The next night I realised I actually had a set of isolators attached to the *other* tail light that i had (it came from a DB3 with the short loom - had been intending to use it's connectors to make the tail light loom, but the complete one was cheaper than buying the 6 spools of wire and the terminals), so in went the isolators and on went the tail light...

    Clearly, drilling the holes was an after lunch job... with a bottle of chianti forming a large part of the lunch...

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    Of course, I guess you should expect this shit on a "Hand Built" $35,000 motorcycle.. lol.

    a few minutes with the dremel and a small sanding drum sorted it out. What this photo also exposed was the issue with the exhaust tips, which I've been struggling with for the last few days. Went back to the guys I bought it from, and borrowed the mufflers off their parts bike - nope, no significant difference. Suspect it's something in the front half of the system - appears to be pushing the front of the mufflers up hard against the bottom of the seat area, resulting in the tips being hard against the bottom of the cutout...

    Tonight's job is modifying the SRAD fuel tap to be dual outlet with 90* barbs to let me run the fuel lines the right way. If I'd realised the SRAD tap was going to be such a fuckaround (The guy who's used one previously wasn't using the stock airbox, which makes a massive difference in that you can actually run the fuel line out of the tap without issue), I'd have just bought a new OEM one (twice the price of a SRAD unit though, although, when you take into account the time i've wasted fucking around with it, the fittings and 1/8 bspt tap etc, it runs pretty close). Tomorrow should hopefully see me borrowing/swapping the headers for the parts bike set - *hopefully* that will sort the exhaust fitment issues.

    I also finally used my mini sheet metal brake to make the platform for the batteries, and also knocked up the jumper cables that connect the batteries in parallel - this appears to be the one place so far where running the plumbing/wiring a different way to stock is actually a good idea. Of course, I forgot to take photos - will sort that out.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Batteries in parallel. So more than one 12v battery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MVLUV View Post
    Batteries in parallel. So more than one 12v battery?
    Yep, mounted side by side under the gauges.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    That's a real stylish plate holder, those Eye-talians sure know good design. (I know I know, that's very standard Euro spec for their huge number plates)
    Hide yo' wife!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by piss98 View Post
    That's a real stylish plate holder, those Eye-talians sure know good design. (I know I know, that's very standard Euro spec for their huge number plates)
    That's the *short* plate holder. This is the full plastic underpants spec one for Switzerland/Germany:
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    Last edited by Gammaboy; 21-06-19 at 10:03 AM.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Ewwwww!!

    I used a left over flap hat originally came off my crashed Z1000 and carbon wrapped it so I look legit in case the Nazis pull me over.
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    I actually kinda like the stock setup (Not the ridiculous one above). It's a single layer of vac bagged carbon - you can see through it when it's back lit! This was on the SB6 I made a seat hump template from - it's been chopped and had some holes added compared to mine.

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    Anyway, once again, there are photos I forgot to take... but, got some progress happening.

    A quick photo of the batteries sitting on the platform with the link cables.

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    And the platform sitting in place. I will strip and repaint the front subframe at some point.

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    The tab sticking out of the subframe is for hanging the CDI off - standard Suzuki 1100 unit. Not sure if I'm going to just fit an advancer, or go to a Ignitech.

    So, I'm still fucking around with exhaust fitment - the headers from the other bike made a tiny difference, and I can't be fucked swapping them back, but I *think* I have a plan now.

    SRAD tap conversion - well the SRAD tap has provision in the casting for the outlet barb to be in one of three positions - plan was to fit a 90* elbow to the existing position (drilling/tapping to suit), and drilling and tapping one of the positions on the opposite side for the other elbow. Did that, fitted it up, and the hose routing from the "front" elbow sucks completely. Wound in a blanking plug, and tried the other spot. Not great, there's ~2mm clearance against the seat unit, so I'll grind it down a bit, but not sure i'll stick with this plan. I'll include a pic of the modded tap in the next update. May just say fuckit and buy a new OEM one, which I didn't know was available when I grabbed the SRAD tap... anyway, between that and the exhaust malarkey, I had the shits a bit.

    So last night, i had ~30 minutes to spare, so I thought I'd whip the clutch master off and see how fucked it was, given that the piston was stuck in the bore at full travel. Good news was, the fluid in the lines and reservoir, while not great, was not utterly manky.... which was promising. So I removed the sheet metal nut on the pivot (discovering it was fitted upside down!), dropped the lever and pushrod out and tried to have a look - but the boot that protects everything is locked in place with a pressfit ring and wouldn't let me see anything. Put a thin allen key up the end to try to dislodge the piston. Nope.

    So, violence it will be.

    Two taps of the soft faced hammer and it was free. Movement really freed up with cycling it in and out a couple of times, and blowing in the banjo bolt end confirmed the feed port was clear... one thing left to do. Screwed it all back together, bled the master up, and then bled the slave. Slave bleeder access on these is renowned for being fucked. The bleeder itself is hiding behind the frame rail, only visible from the top with a torch. Managed to get an 8mm ring spanner onto it, cracked it open and then snaked my bleeder hose onto it. Pump hold pump hold pump hold... and we're bleeding. a couple of reservoir refills and all the air is out, tied the lever down, fucked around getting the bleeder tight, released the lever and gave it a go. Clutch is remarkably light, and the sprocket cover flex indicates it's working perfectly. Knocked it into gear, pulled the clutch in, and tried to turn the back wheel... and bam, movement. Clutch hydraulics work and the clutch pack isn't stuck. I'll take that as a win!
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    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Aaaaand the "OEM" tap is not an option - turns out it's a substitute unit that some guys use, doesn't look nearly man enough for the 1100 (Hell, I think they use two of these particular substitute taps to feed an aircooled ducati motor in the DB1).

    Guess i'm sticking with the SRAD tap.
    That saves me 110 Euro I guess.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    So, haven't had much time to work on the bike lately - spent a week on holiday in Adelaide - couple of days out in the Barossa drinking wine in lovely weather and just generally not doing much.

    Have had some deliveries though - a GSXR fuel level sensor, and an original Bimota SB6 sales brochure (first time i've ever done the original brochure thing - what have I become?).

    Biggest score though, thanks to another Bimota owner from another forum I've nabbed the seat bumstop part from ebay - it's not perfect, but it's not bad, and it was cheap enough, especially with a 10% off code. It was also local, so 6 hours after seeing the message on my phone, it was sitting on the passenger seat of the daily driver. I had intended to carve a buck from foam and make it a hollow carbon shell for additional storage volume, but the time saving of slapping a standard one on outweighs the advantage at the moment.

    Anyway, really need to get some time on the lathe to knock up a new upper half for the SRAD tap to make it more like an original and fix my routing issues, knock up an adaptor to fit the GSXR level switch to the Bim tank, and knock up a couple of fairing spacers and the pipes for the block between the carb stubs... then the tank and fuel system will be done, and ready to start the bike...
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    Oh, and I managed to score a Muzzy Aluminium rad fan - the SB6s are even more prone to melting the stocker than the GSXRs... it's currently in transit from the US.

    And some random SB6 porn, just because.
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    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Um...I think you need to paint it like that...
    Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

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    A slightly less modified version in the same scheme - Moto Corse were the Japanese Bimota importer and did a range of tweaked ones... Ti exhaust, Machesini magnesium wheels, Keihin FCRs, modified seats with alcantera/suede skins - that sort of stuff. I don't think i have remotely close to the skill or money needed for that scheme.
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    The one I posted above was *heavily* modified - covered in this article.
    https://www.cycleworld.com/sport-rid...to-202247-mph/
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Oh yeah, someone parted out a Corse SB6 last year on Yahoo Auctions.
    A Corse Penske rear shock recently popped up on Yahoo.
    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s671330564

    While it'd be nice to have, the stock Ohlins should be ok.
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    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    bloody centrepoint wholesale thru up a nice looking DB-4R, just a shame it cant be rego'd, 165kg 900SS engine, would be nice thing

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/14331855...QiQY3HntcafpyI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevil View Post
    bloody centrepoint wholesale thru up a nice looking DB-4R, just a shame it cant be rego'd, 165kg 900SS engine, would be nice thing

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/14331855...QiQY3HntcafpyI
    I had a quick look at that while picking up the seat pad, is pretty nice, but the main fairing is a bit rough. It *may* be able to be registered after the new import regs kick in.
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    The maybe is why I guess it's so cheap.

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