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    Hidden speakers

    How badly will my sound quality suffer if I mount my speakers (single pair in the back, no real room for front speakers) in the rear bulkhead behind the back seat? I realise that i'll probably loose some of the high frequencies - can i improve the situation by using splits and putting the tweeters in the front? Really don't want to do the speakers in the parcel shelf thing. In theory I could put a dual voice coil 4" speaker under the dash, but once again, would be playing through a layer of vinyl.
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    It'll sound like shit most probably.

    You can buy "period correct" speaker grilles in various sizes these days, depending on the size & shape you need.

    https://www.chromelondon.com/index.asp?function=SEARCH and put "grill" in the search box.
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    you cant have the tweeters too far away from the other speaker (like .5 metres max in a car) or you hear 2 sources of different music that are slightly out of time with each other.

    tweeters can punch through fairly thick cloth trim OK - and you can do the cinema trick - the tweeters behind the screen output is boosted. most splits/coax systems actually have a tweeter that is more efficient than the woofer/mid, and actually have an Lpad or similar resistor set up on the crossover that you can bypass to get a good 2-4dB extra out of the tweeter for free.

    sometime you can get good-ish sound from a small bluetooth portable system tucked up under the dash firing at your feet. If you have a portable speaker system like that put it where you can hide it and see. Another spot to try is under front seats firing up at dash. also try firing towards to the windows as most sound we hear is reflected sound anyway - so try all sorts of weird positions and angles and let your ears judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Nicholson View Post
    It'll sound like shit most probably.

    You can buy "period correct" speaker grilles in various sizes these days, depending on the size & shape you need.

    https://www.chromelondon.com/index.asp?function=SEARCH and put "grill" in the search box.
    I've got a period correct grill for the dash - it's not going back in because the reflection in the windscreen is as annoying as fuck. There are structural reasons I don't want to do the speaker in the parcel shelf thing again, been there, done that with this car, drove me nuts. Also, fuck paying more for the grilles than the speakers!
    "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pH@tTm@N View Post
    you cant have the tweeters too far away from the other speaker (like .5 metres max in a car) or you hear 2 sources of different music that are slightly out of time with each other.

    tweeters can punch through fairly thick cloth trim OK - and you can do the cinema trick - the tweeters behind the screen output is boosted. most splits/coax systems actually have a tweeter that is more efficient than the woofer/mid, and actually have an Lpad or similar resistor set up on the crossover that you can bypass to get a good 2-4dB extra out of the tweeter for free.

    sometime you can get good-ish sound from a small bluetooth portable system tucked up under the dash firing at your feet. If you have a portable speaker system like that put it where you can hide it and see. Another spot to try is under front seats firing up at dash. also try firing towards to the windows as most sound we hear is reflected sound anyway - so try all sorts of weird positions and angles and let your ears judge.
    Cheers, good stuff to try. Firing at the windows won't be much chop, 99.95% of the time I have them wound all the way down :P
    This is so low priority - I haven't had any sound system in the car for the last ~7 years, but i've been using a little bluetooth promo speaker a fair bit for the last ~6 months, so starting to think about doing it properly again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    I've got a period correct grill for the dash - it's not going back in because the reflection in the windscreen is as annoying as fuck.
    Paint the grill matte/satin in same colour as the dash top vinyl?
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    People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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    stick pc speakers to your head rest - almost head phones haha
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    Just use bluetooth headphones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pH@tTm@N View Post
    stick pc speakers to your head rest - almost head phones haha
    No headrest - the seat back stops about level with the bottom of my shoulder blades.

    Quote Originally Posted by itsnotagsr View Post
    Just use bluetooth headphones?
    Errr no. And fuck idiots who use headphones while driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gammaboy View Post
    No headrest - the seat back stops about level with the bottom of my shoulder blades.


    Errr no. And fuck idiots who use headphones while driving.
    How is having, say ear pods in, and speaking to someone any more/less dangerous to listening to a podcast?
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    because it blocks your ears so you cant hear your surroundings at all..?
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