n/a 2jz ecu and fI

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by TTerror

Thats ok man its not end of the world heaps of U.S cunts went through the same shit with their NA 2JZs and manage to get decent power going.

First thing to check is whether its VVTI or not so you know where you stand.
The front of the head will have a smooth bump as opposed to being symetrical and it WONT have distributor. Advantage of this is that there is no dizzy to get in the way of the turbo, and if you can get someone to setup teh VVTI to work with boost you get a better power curve.
Disadvantage is weak rods as mentioned.

Cheapest option by far is an XSPOWER turbo kit. I got mine a while back for US$1200 inc everything.

Youre right there is no bolt in ECU option. What shits me to tears is that the yanks have a different ECU setup and run a MAF sensor and get away with making an easy 550rwhp with SAFCs and shit. Us people with JDM motors on the other hand, have to go for a more expensive solution. Just make sure you find someone good and go with whatever they recomend.
I used parts that were recomended by one builder who then moved state, and then i couldnt find anyone who knew wtf was going where my ECU was concerned.

Thank you. This is the info i am after. XSPOWER stuff is garbage! I get a very good deal on master power turbos and have an ex gate here, ad in a ebay manifold and some braided lines and we are a moving. Ill check to see whether its a vvti or not. if it isnt them i might go aftermarket management.

Originally Posted by nash

What about an emanage ultimate with the 3 bar map sensor? Not as expensive as a stand alone (about $500-600 second hand with sensors and a universal harness).

Originally Posted by goracing

just put a ecu in in..... sooner or later you will want it in there.... just bite the bullet and get it done.

As mentioned earlier no matter what i have to wire in so would prefer a piggy back set up for just fuel and ign. If i can find an emanage might just run an adaptonic piggy backed.

Originally Posted by TTerror

^^^This man knows.


This seems like a project to be done on the cheap. No need to put a standalone ecu into a car your dad is gonna be driving.

Well it wont be cheap and nasty, but we are not going for 400rwkw's or anything. But yes thats my thoughts, my dad is a nancy lol. He has driven a few of my mild cars and likes them. So not looking for anything too crazy.

If anyone finds a cheap (500-600) emanage secondhand please pm me.

Originally Posted by Ed

I dont think he is building a turbo car for his dad. The impression I got is his dad didnt want it anymore so vet180 is now keeping/turboing it.

Nah if it was ending up with me it would end up much more serious.


also for all those people saying sell it and buy a turbo one to start with. WHO IS GOING TO BUY A N/A ARISTO! honestly.

[TTerror]

http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/...ad.php?t=56675

Not sure if you have to be a member to see that, but there you go emanage blue for $500


Re the XSPOWER stuff there seems to be a few different sellers and slightly different products, the guy ive been dealing with is good and his stuff has lasted.
MASTERPOWER def has a better rep, if you can get a good deal then why not.
An ebay manifold IS an XSPOWER manifold. Note that the NA manifold is diferent from the TT manifold. If you have VVTI then its bolt on, all good. If you have nonVVTI with a distributor then unless you have a pretty small turbo it will foul on hte dizzy unless you
a- swap in a dizzy cap off a hilux which has a smaller profile
b- weld in a t4 spacer to the manifold thats rotated slightly to clear the distributor. Youll also need a modified/custom downpipe in this case.

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by TTerror

Thats ok man its not end of the world heaps of U.S cunts went through the same shit with their NA 2JZs and manage to get decent power going.

First thing to check is whether its VVTI or not so you know where you stand.
The front of the head will have a smooth bump as opposed to being symetrical and it WONT have distributor. Advantage of this is that there is no dizzy to get in the way of the turbo, and if you can get someone to setup teh VVTI to work with boost you get a better power curve.
Disadvantage is weak rods as mentioned.

Cheapest option by far is an XSPOWER turbo kit. I got mine a while back for US$1200 inc everything.

Youre right there is no bolt in ECU option. What shits me to tears is that the yanks have a different ECU setup and run a MAF sensor and get away with making an easy 550rwhp with SAFCs and shit. Us people with JDM motors on the other hand, have to go for a more expensive solution. Just make sure you find someone good and go with whatever they recomend.
I used parts that were recomended by one builder who then moved state, and then i couldnt find anyone who knew wtf was going where my ECU was concerned.

ok had a quick squiz today in the dark.

The engine is a non vvti. The front is flat, there is no hump for the vvt gear.

This is good, it has the same rods as turbo model then.

I see what you meen about the dizzy, bit of a pain to deal with, but i am sure it can be delt with.

Actually compared to 2jz vehicles i have owned (all turbo ones), dam its different. The whole intake manifold has been gayed up. Might be easier to grab a turbo plenum and injectors.

Just one more question as i havent delt with emanage before, do they have their own internal map sensor like autronic, microtech and the rest of them?

[gianttomato]

Originally Posted by vet 180

Might be easier to grab a turbo plenum and injectors.

No it won't. It won't bolt up.

[takai]

Definately wont bolt up, just use the existing plenum, or refabricate from the split in the runners.

[vet 180]

really, it wont bolt up?

hmmm i might re-fab it.

So why doesn't the turbo plenum bolt up?

[gianttomato]

Originally Posted by vet 180

So why doesn't the turbo plenum bolt up?

Why is the sky blue? What is the meaning of life? Toyota probably did it to stop simpletons bolting up GTE ancillaries to a GE and pumping 25 psi through a 10:1 comp motor.

By the time you bolt up a kit, get a front mount, uprate the fuel system, refab a manifold and get some aftermarket management, any hit you might get selling this NA shitter will be recouped by buying a turbo variant and a bleed valve.

[BMWTurbo]

You've got this well sorted...

Spend the $3k on an Aristo front cut and do it properly...

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by gianttomato

Why is the sky blue? What is the meaning of life? Toyota probably did it to stop simpletons bolting up GTE ancillaries to a GE and pumping 25 psi through a 10:1 comp motor.

By the time you bolt up a kit, get a front mount, uprate the fuel system, refab a manifold and get some aftermarket management, any hit you might get selling this NA shitter will be recouped by buying a turbo variant and a bleed valve.

no not really. who will buy a non turbo aristo? no one. Plus the car is in great condition, there are that many hacked turbo models out there with shaged ball joints, crappy hacked suspention etc.

Originally Posted by BMWTurbo

You've got this well sorted...

Spend the $3k on an Aristo front cut and do it properly...

the 3k budget is not a problem. And the half cut is being considered.

I will admit have not delt with non turbo 2jz's before. So if the intake manifold does not bolt up, is there any other differences in the head?

[TTerror]

A GE is massively different from a GTE, almost nothing is easily interchangeable.

And I give no fark for the block and rods being the same. EVERYTHING else is different. Ignition, fuel, head, manifolds, sensors, just approach it as a new engine that is a distant cousin to the well known 2JZGTE and requires different parts and approach to get results.

If you cant be bothered doing some research on whats required then just get an aristo halfcut as mentioned. Having done the "convert GE to turbo" thing I wouldnt call anyone a lesser man for taking the easy option.

[CussCuss]

Originally Posted by BMWTurbo

You've got this well sorted...

Spend the $3k on an Aristo front cut and do it properly...

i dont know about that, i mean if it was a good idea, sureley someone else would have suggested it as well.

[Stang]

Originally Posted by vet 180

WHO IS GOING TO BUY A N/A ARISTO! honestly.

Hardy?

[The Pupat]

Originally Posted by vet 180

the 3k budget is not a problem. And the half cut is being considered.

If it's for your old man this is the best option. It'll drive like a stocker... because it is. With a 3 inch exhaust, a big cooler hidden in the front and one of 2jzr31's dodgy circuit/chips to remove the boost cut it'll make 350rwhp without even thinking about it. Look up Bill Surewood's turbo Aristo he used to own. The sequential turbo stuff these have is the best sh!t ever for a big luxobarge like an Aristo.

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by Stang

Hardy?

lol. funny and true.

Originally Posted by CussCuss

i dont know about that, i mean if it was a good idea, sureley someone else would have suggested it as well.

point taken. This option is defiantly not off the cards. Still like to explore all the options however

Originally Posted by TTerror

A GE is massively different from a GTE, almost nothing is easily interchangeable.

And I give no fark for the block and rods being the same. EVERYTHING else is different. Ignition, fuel, head, manifolds, sensors, just approach it as a new engine that is a distant cousin to the well known 2JZGTE and requires different parts and approach to get results.

If you cant be bothered doing some research on whats required then just get an aristo halfcut as mentioned. Having done the "convert GE to turbo" thing I wouldnt call anyone a lesser man for taking the easy option.

Yeah toyota have a habbit of making things difficult

I dont mind doing the research, and can get the parts needed quite cheap. It's just a matter of whether its worth it over a half cut. High comp turbo engines are always fun if they hold together though. but the ease of the half cut is quite attractive and you get the better brakes. The old man should have just listened to me in the first place.

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by The Pupat

If it's for your old man this is the best option. It'll drive like a stocker... because it is. With a 3 inch exhaust, a big cooler hidden in the front and one of 2jzr31's dodgy circuit/chips to remove the boost cut it'll make 350rwhp without even thinking about it. Look up Bill Surewood's turbo Aristo he used to own. The sequential turbo stuff these have is the best sh!t ever for a big luxobarge like an Aristo.

i have owned one with very similar set up, so i do know what you mean. The sequential turbo's do like to shit them self with high boost though.

The old man did like the way mine drove.

[deathsminion]

Jumping back to the eManage suggestion, is anyone actually happy with these in the long term? Have a few friends using them in turbo JZA80s and various other 4 pot 'yotas and they've had nothing but trouble - losing the tune (ie; stock ECU trying to take over), poor idle quality and poor sensor connectivity.
They are all being tuned by the same guy though. Shit ECU, or shit tuner?

[goracing]

Originally Posted by deathsminion

Jumping back to the eManage suggestion, is anyone actually happy with these in the long term? Have a few friends using them in turbo JZA80s and various other 4 pot 'yotas and they've had nothing but trouble - losing the tune (ie; stock ECU trying to take over), poor idle quality and poor sensor connectivity.
They are all being tuned by the same guy though. Shit ECU, or shit tuner?

when i had mine, it was great for minor changes, BPU++ ..... once things started to change, singles etc, it all started to become too hard.

[gianttomato]

Originally Posted by vet 180

who will buy a non turbo aristo?

Some other kid with pipe dreams of turbocharging it for fasts.

[TTerror]

Originally Posted by deathsminion

Jumping back to the eManage suggestion, is anyone actually happy with these in the long term? Have a few friends using them in turbo JZA80s and various other 4 pot 'yotas and they've had nothing but trouble - losing the tune (ie; stock ECU trying to take over), poor idle quality and poor sensor connectivity.
They are all being tuned by the same guy though. Shit ECU, or shit tuner?

Was the tuners name starting with C?

[deathsminion]

Got it in one.

[TTerror]

I was going off peoples ravings on sf.com.au about emanage and 2JZs.
Come to think of it the only other turbo GE that ive come across that was running an emanage had a lot of issues too.

In that case i retract my statement to vet_180 and recommend NOT touching an emanage. Looks like youre screwed like i was and will have to go for a standalone.
Cheapest is a Stinger 4424 (under a grand) which i used although good luck finding someone whos had experience with them. Wish id gone Haltech since everyone has come across them at some point.


Or swap in from a TT halfcut...
Actually come to think about it, the power delivery with the stock sequential twins will prob suit your dad better, I know when I took my mum for a ride after I turboed my supra she nearly had a heartattack when the turbo hit.

[takai]

Adaptronic E420c is less than a grand.

Im sure Gavatron will report back as to how its gone with his 2JZGE.

[vet 180]

Originally Posted by TTerror

I was going off peoples ravings on sf.com.au about emanage and 2JZs.
Come to think of it the only other turbo GE that ive come across that was running an emanage had a lot of issues too.

In that case i retract my statement to vet_180 and recommend NOT touching an emanage. Looks like youre screwed like i was and will have to go for a standalone.
Cheapest is a Stinger 4424 (under a grand) which i used although good luck finding someone whos had experience with them. Wish id gone Haltech since everyone has come across them at some point.


Or swap in from a TT halfcut...
Actually come to think about it, the power delivery with the stock sequential twins will prob suit your dad better, I know when I took my mum for a ride after I turboed my supra she nearly had a heartattack when the turbo hit.

wouldn't mind trying out an e420c and just running it as a piggy back.

Thinking about it dads face would be funny if 300rwkw's worth of big single hit all once. He did like the delivery of the standard twins.

[TTerror]

Haha yeah it was pretty funny. I think ive pissed off just about everyone I know who isnt a diehard car person from taking them for a ride, and mines making hardly any power.


Re the ECU ive got mine setup as a piggyback too.
Like I said, the biggest factor is the person wiring/tuning it and how comfortable they are with it, thats where I lost out bigtime.

[deathsminion]

Originally Posted by TTerror

Come to think of it the only other turbo GE that ive come across that was running an emanage had a lot of issues too.

Danny's or Rez's? Or is there another one I don't know about?

[UZZ31]

Originally Posted by takai

Adaptronic E420c is less than a grand.

Im sure Gavatron will report back as to how its gone with his 2JZGE.

I picked up ECU, loom and 3bar map sensor for $880 delivered